I can confirm real desmas are out there, but stupidly expensive, especially considering what the raw winstrol powder actually costs (believe me, it's cheap, right down there with dbol powder). I'm outside the UK, so there are different products available here in Greece. I've had good luck with global anabolics injectable winstrol, and their tabs - which I prefer. I hate winstrol shots. I tried novocrine tabs also. Those are almost as popular around here. For some reason, the crossfitters gooble up winstrol. I find that surprising due to joint issues and how they train.